57 Responses to:
THIS MAN SHOULD BE CHARGED

# 1. 1/12/10 12:40 AM by SGM - Utah
Added heartbreak for the family, but if you do the crime, you do the time.

If Ryan's life hasn't hit bottom by now, this may be the turning point. Hopefully he can do something productive before his current lifestyle kills him or someone else.

The shooter should be given the death sentence and then it should be carried out. No more all expense paid trips back to Mexico.

# 2. 1/12/10 12:49 AM by Puscifer - Utardia
Another needless death due to the phony war on drugs. Prohibition taught us nothing. We all have blood on our hands.

# 3. 1/12/10 1:15 AM by Paul Martin - Rochester NY
Seeing as the shooter was trying to escape from a stop that was being made as the result of the drug transaction, I would think it would be an all related crime. Thus the brother should be charged for the murder of his sister as a person active in the same criminal incident. But that is only my opinion.

# 4. 1/12/10 1:26 AM by Bob - Boulder, CO
Great column. If pot gets legalized all across the country we can keep a lot of money out of the hands of criminals! It would be a great source of revenue for the government too.

# 5. 1/12/10 6:42 AM by Poplar Beach
I am not familiar with the case, but it sounds like you are right Bob. I wonder if the Greathouse family is descended from Jacob Greathouse?

How about Sarah as a commentator on Fox, perhaps she can learn a bit more about history and world affairs before she runs for any national office. Should be interesting to see her progression if she lasts. Can't see how she can be away from the family so much though.

# 6. 1/12/10 6:54 AM by Rick C. - Rochester,NY 14610
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# 7. 1/12/10 6:59 AM by gww - Rochester, NY
End Prohibition Now!

# 8. 1/12/10 7:05 AM by Dave - Manchester
I agree with you Bob we should legalise drugs so this tragedy doesnt occur again. Well done on your visionary thinking.

Really though they should recover the weapon and prosecute the gun makers, the gun lobbyists, the police, you, me and everyone else.

We could twist the logic all daya nd put the blame on anyone.

The killer is the only one responsible, and i think your post today is heartless.

If the killer wasnt there he may have killed two people elsewhere, therefore the brother is directly responsible for saving two lives. I think he should be given a medal

# 9. 1/12/10 7:11 AM by kath - rochester
I thought you said she died because of our lack of tough immigration laws. Guess it's more complicated than you thought

Editor's Note: no illegal aliens, no illegal-alien murderers.

# 10. 1/12/10 7:43 AM by Rob Staples - Henrico, VA
If you don't set a example, it will happen again. How sad, our country would rather go after cigarettes, name calling and people that cheat on there wives. It's sad where people think the priorities are. Why not crack down on drugs? Wake up America, God help us.

# 11. 1/12/10 7:55 AM by RC - Bloomington
I would think the best thing that could happen to the brother is to be charged with a crime, but that is not the reason for my comment.

The reason to charge the brother is for the future criminals. Its like the parties when someone leaves one job for another. The party isn't for the employee leaving its for the employees staying behind. They need to know that they work for a compassionate company. Same for future criminals. Do the crime, do the time, period.

# 12. 1/12/10 7:55 AM by Dave B - Rochester
I agree with #2 and #4. Our great fiasco known as the war on drugs has killed so many thousand people. But as a community our attitude seems to be: it's better a hundred minority kids die in "drug turf" shootings then 1 suburban kid gets high in his bedroom. So sad but so true.

# 13. 1/12/10 8:03 AM by Rational Rod - CANADA
#1 - " the killer should be given the death penalty." Capital punishment is just more killing in the culture of death, certainly not a solution to anything. "Just say no" to it. Life.

# 14. 1/12/10 8:10 AM
I have never, nor will ever use drugs... but legalize them all, let the gov't sell them, get rid of the "chosen profession" in the inner city, and make kids work honestly to get money. It would also lower the crime rate by 90% or so. If a drug user is gonna use, they are gonna use whether legal or not. Just take away the financial issues and the rest will fall into place.

# 15. 1/12/10 8:12 AM by MIKE
WOW, I had not heard that. Of course, living in Rochester I don't get a lot of new out of Utah. How sad for the mother and father of those kids. It's got to be hard enough to know your daughter is dead by the hand of some criminal, it's got to be even worse to know your son called in the criminal.

# 16. 1/12/10 8:17 AM
"Should be arrested" would have to be a new law. If that ever happened we can stop saluting the flag and start the "seig heil's".

About the new book Game Change. The authors are reporting all the sleaze that America didn't have to know.

There should be a section in the library and book stores devoted entirely to "skewering". It's the modern American genre. The right wing publishes these monstrous tomes to skewering, both factual and fictional like conjoined twins, and the left wing has their "Leave It To Beaver Judy's" as well.

Game Change should be titled "Don't Talk To The Press"

# 17. 1/12/10 9:08 AM by Zzyzx - Sandy UT
The logic of previous posters baffles me. Legalize drugs? Are you nuts? Why not just legalize everything? That way the crime rate would be zero!! We could save tons of money because we would need no police, no courts, no lawyers, no judges, no prisons, no parole boards -- nothing! What a brilliant concept. Never mind that anarchy would reign, innocents would be scammed, robbed, raped, tortured, and murdered etc. But hey, crime statistics would be phenomenal.

I prefer getting tough on ALL crime, keeping drugs illegal (have you every seen what drugs do to individuals and families?) and quit the slap-on-the-wrist, poor-me sentences we're seeing for all criminals.

Bob, not totally off-topic, but can you get names and expose the lame Utah judges who are going so soft on white collar criminals here too? I'm disgusted with that, illegals, and the whole protect-the-guilty-and-punish-the-innocent mentality that is currently rampant in this country.

# 18. 1/12/10 9:09 AM by Rational Rod - CANADA
#5 - Sarah - now that she's on Fox will she be "Fairly unbalanced"? She said that her being on the ticket was "God's plan". Seems like a good enough reason not to believe in God. And if she is so against what she calls "death panels" why isn't she speaking out for the abolition of capital punishment, the ultimate death panel. Or can all her "common sense" not show her such logical thinking?

# 19. 1/12/10 9:25 AM
I voted “yes” to your poll question. It’s not really a matter of opinion – he broke the law. So he needs to be charged.

But in your column today, and in your anti-drug rant on the radio the other day on this subject, you missed the obvious point, one that you yourself set up beautifully: marijuana should be legalized. I think you even offered that alcohol is probably worse than pot. But it’s the legal issue that is causing most of the problems. Illegal drug law-enforcement and drug-procurement are what’s at the heart of our society’s drug-related problems, as you so effectively illustrated last week. Take that out of the mix, and so much of the problem is removed.

Then there is the ideological issue. Legalizing marijuana is a matter of freedom, of liberty, of personal choice. It is what you stand for and advocate for every day. Just like legalized, controlled, taxed alcohol. To be against this is to be inconsistent, or even hypocritical.

We should do the obvious right thing – legalize pot.

# 20. 1/12/10 9:39 AM by Floyd R. Turbo
Or can all her "common sense" not show her such logical thinking?

Yes, comparing the government performing one of its few legitimate duties in punishing capital murderers to unelected hacks denying patients care at the end of a life spent being fleeced is "rational".

Is their something about the distinction between guilt and innocence that escapes "rational" thought?

Probably the same "rational" "common sense" that believes we'd have "peace" if we just make nice with people who want to wipe us off the face of the Earth!

Quality comedy from Rod Munch!

# 21. 1/12/10 10:11 AM by Rational Rod - CANADA
I'm just trying to figure out why such vehemently anti-government voices always defend the government in its killing - war, capital punishment, etc. Nothing funny about it really. Peace.

# 22. 1/12/10 10:18 AM by Don - gates
If they charged the brother it would never stick. He no doubt gave the dealer information to the investigating officers without being read his Miranda or placed under arrest. If they go back & charge him a slick lawyer would make sure those statements couldn't be admitted in court & off he goes

Editor's Note: you watch too much tv. you only have to be mirandized if you are 1. in custody and 2. under interrogation. if you're not in custody, you can be asked without being mirandized. if you are in custody, but not being questioned, you don't have to be mirandized. if you are in custory, are not mirandized, and volunteer information, that can be used against you.

# 23. 1/12/10 10:40 AM by kittynana - Lewiston NY
Reminds me of the movie "Crash". Excellent movie. It shows how life can dovetail in the strangest way. Like this time.

# 24. 1/12/10 10:46 AM by Bob - Clarendon, NY
Has the killer been caught?

# 25. 1/12/10 10:57 AM by Ultra Bob - salt lake city Utah
I propose and support a mandatory death penalty for all persons who make, sell, transport or otherwise promote the illegal drug industry.

# 26. 1/12/10 11:02 AM by alexander - upstate ny usa
small world. charge him.

# 27. 1/12/10 11:06 AM by Mark
The whole miranda rights thing is crap anyway. Is there one person in this country that doesn't have them memorized? Lawyers should not make a living getting people off on BS technicalities.

# 28. 1/12/10 12:17 PM by CAROLE
#13 And "just say no" has worked so well!! Time to get tough on drug dealers. Stop babying them! So sick of PC that I want to vomit. And make sure #13's tax dollars keep the creeps in jail for life but I do not want to pay for it....I will pay for the lethal injection for murders, its cheaper.

# 29. 1/12/10 12:22 PM by Wally - Utah
My view of your comments are that you are blaming Millard County for not taking action. First of all I find discrepancies in your report. One, the governor never attended the services and second Josie never had babies at home. She does have children but not babies. Therefore I think you don't know all your facts. A story isn't finished until it is finished! I'm sure Ryan will be punished for his involvement. It was his confession that lead to the capture of Roman. Just maybe his punishment is being held out of compassion for the parents, letting them deal with one terrible experience before having to face another. Being a parent myself I'd certainly welcome that. Ryan is not running from anything. He is with family and being watched by the law constantly. But I don't believe that he is the cause of murder. He is responsible for a drug deal only. Not all drug deals have to result in murder.

Editor's Note: the governor didn't show because his dad died just before the funeral.

# 30. 1/12/10 12:26 PM by infidel - greece,n.y.
HEY BOB-------- I WONDER HOW MANY OF OUR ELECTED LEADERS ARE ON DRUGS. PROBABLY AS MANY AS THOSE THAT CHEAT ON THEIR TAXES.MY OPINION THE BROTHER SHOULD BE CHARGED AS AN ACCESSORY TO MURDER.

# 31. 1/12/10 12:30 PM by Right Wing Extremist - Utahrrr
Oh rod crotch, the canadian bastard...again more verbal flatulence from the biggest prick up north. We would rather remove (permanently) from society those miscreants who are hell bent on killing us and dragging society down the crapper. We're funny that way. It's a cruel world.

# 32. 1/12/10 12:43 PM by Al Quiam - USSA
Comrade Lonsberry,

Thank you for writing this as well as you did. I will share this with my teenagers to let them see how even one doobie can lead to a death. Sad.

Ants. Get'em every springtime storming into the house in various parts - mostly near the kitchen. Every year I fight them to keep my food safe, my health higher, my friends from freaking (and my wife from freaking), and of course to prevent the whole structure of my home & lifestyle from collapsing.

Comrade Puscifer (#2) from some ass-backward place called Utardia, believes the drug war should be stopped. Drugs are like my ants, ass-wipe. The moral and social structure of America will crumble if not kept in check - but hey, puss-head, perhaps that is precisely why AMERICA is slipping down into Oblivion.

If you want to do drugs, get the hell out of America where they should always remain illegal. That will open a few spaces and jobs for those who need employment and want to see America a great, freedom & drug-free society. Take another toke Moron...

# 33. 1/12/10 12:52 PM by Al Quiam - USSA
Comrade Lonsberry,

One other thing. Anyone who thinks "Mary-jane" should be legalized must not know of its terrible side effect - unlike Alcohol. That is of course, the THC "after-hit" that can come upon the individual days later. This feeling of "high" leads to very poor depth perception & slows reaction times(something I really don't want to have happen to the dude driving next to, in front of or beside me). No, "Mary-jane" should be kept illegal and those who need it for "medicinal purposes" should be forced to turn in their driver's license. Anyone caught with pot should surrender their license for 1 year as a part of their punishment. Then, highway safety would improve.

# 34. 1/12/10 2:03 PM by John - SLC, utah
# 8. 1/12/10 7:05 AM by Dave - Manchester "If the killer wasn't there he may have killed two people elsewhere, therefore the brother is directly responsible for saving two lives. I think he should be given a medal"---???? huh? I think Dave is on drugs but absurd that now that the pot today is much stronger with higher concentrated amounts of THC and produces psychosis that the government wants to legalize it and even give it to children!! What I want to know is why didn't the policewoman Josie Fox or the other cop go after her brother and it seems that anyone related to any Sheriff gets off scott free of murdering a child or spouse or any homicide or a DUI even if it's resulting in a homicide much less abuse and battering. Cops know they are getting into a dangerous situation with that job and too bad the cops were not smart enough to have had someone with her in that kind of dangerous predicament or couldn't have handled it differently and more efficiently. Let's be smart on crime!! Doesn't take an Einstein. Her brother of course should be charged.

# 35. 1/12/10 2:20 PM
Al Quiam must have watched "Reefer Madness" too many times. Bet he believes Glenn Beck too when he stated recently that the Great Depression was in 1948. Probably believes it was Franklin Roosevelt's fault and that Harry Truman made it worse too. Some people are just gullible. And stupid.

# 36. 1/12/10 2:27 PM by Mrs. Johnson - slc, utah
Such a tragedy. i didn't like a statement someone posted about "did they catch the killer" as if that community much like the backward communities such as Davis county already assume without evidence who the killer is. I saw the suspect on TV and he has denied the charges and you could tell by his calm demeanor that he could be innocent and has only a public defender. I don't believe in the death penalty due to corrupt and stupid courts making too many mistakes and not owning up to them. Also, yesterday on Harry Reid someone made a comment about how Trent Lott was drummed out of office. That is not true. No one asked for him to leave. He left on his own accord & his comments were much worse on a scale of 1-10 Lotts comments were on a 10 and Reids comments were about a 3. My 2 cents. But Reid is not a republican so of course his views will not mesh with many. Thanks Bob!

# 37. 1/12/10 2:35 PM by Rational Rod - CANADA
#28 - then you might want to factor in this fact - life in prison is actually less costly than capital punishment. But the real trouble with killing people is that they tend to remain dead, even if subsequent investigation or information proves them to have been wrongfully convicted, i.e., innocent. Capital punishment is the only sentence from which there is no appeal, too much risk to take with a human life, especially in the name of justice.

# 38. 1/12/10 3:37 PM by Jim - WVC, Utah
How did Ms. foxx get shot in the chest when she had a chest vest on? Maybe in the neck but as small as she was I would think the chest vest would have covered her pretty well. Sounds sleazy about the brother as wasn't he also cleared in the original drug charge as well? Maybe if they both would have done some prison and then drug treatment, if our government could put together a decent drug treatment, they could have both gone on their separate ways. Now days young kids are being court ordered to go to Aa and they aren't even real alcoholics. First figure out who really needs treatment and start listening to family members or the kids themselves when they say they need help. And insurance companies need to pay for that for those who are insured and quit saying the person doesn't need treatment when they do!

# 39. 1/12/10 4:42 PM by Puscifer - Utardia
America. Free or drug free. It can't be both.

# 40. 1/12/10 5:02 PM by Puscifer - Utardia
" That is of course, the THC "after-hit" that can come upon the individual days later."

You've got your rhetoric mixed up. That was LSD. What a piece of work you are.

Well the Fox evening lineup starts soon in a couple of hours. You'll feel safe again. Until then, back under your bed.

# 41. 1/12/10 5:56 PM by JT - Rochester
I know two prominent local politicians because I used to buy weed from one of them and I smoked a ton of weed with the other one. This was twenty five years ago so I don't know what they do now but I think there are a lot of hypocrites out there perpetuating this insane war on pot.

# 42. 1/12/10 6:52 PM by gww - Rochester, NY
Al Quiam, number 33, has made the most ignorant comments I've ever seen.

# 43. 1/12/10 8:32 PM by Numb Nut Utah Silver Spoon voter - Spiral Jetty Utah
Oh, but Bob, He's been punished enuff you cruel cruel man!

He's learned his lesson.

Nah, too bad he did not O.D. before he killed his sister!

# 44. 1/12/10 8:38 PM by Floyd R. Turbo
I'm just trying to figure out why such vehemently anti-government voices always defend the government in its killing - war, capital punishment, etc. Nothing funny about it really. Peace.

Straw man.

No one sees NO legitimate functions of government. (Well, maybe Ron Paul)

National defense and crime and punishment cannot be administered by "the people" acting individually.

They are among the very few legitimate functions of government.

On the other hand, most of us are not babies who need Daddy Obama and Auntie Barney taking care of our every want and need and wiping our l'il nosies and drying our tushies (though Auntie Barney would love mine!).

John Q. Public can't personally kill Jihadists in Yemen (I know, we should just be nicer to them) or swat ICBMs out of the sky (sorry, Poland -- you're on your own), but, left with enough of his own cash, he can educate his kids and provide for their health care and choose the right car and the temperature to keep his home at.

Victory, then Peace. National defense and crime and punishment cannot be administered by "the people" acting individually.

They are among the very few legitimate functions of government.

On the other hand, most of us are not babies who need Daddy Obama and Auntie Barney taking care of our every want and need and wiping our l'il nosies and drying our tushies (though Auntie Barney would love mine!).

John Q. Public can't personally kill Jihadists in Yemen (I know, we should just be nicer to them) or swat ICBMs out of the sky (sorry, Poland -- you're on your own), but, left with enough of his own cash, he can educate his kids and provide for their health care needs.

Victory, then Peace.

# 45. 1/12/10 8:39 PM by Floyd R. Turbo
Oops!

I'm just trying to figure out why such vehemently anti-government voices always defend the government in its killing - war, capital punishment, etc. Nothing funny about it really. Peace.

Straw man.

No one sees NO legitimate functions of government. (Well, maybe Ron Paul)

National defense and crime and punishment cannot be administered by "the people" acting individually.

They are among the very few legitimate functions of government.

On the other hand, most of us are not babies who need Daddy Obama and Auntie Barney taking care of our every want and need and wiping our l'il nosies and drying our tushies (though Auntie Barney would love mine!).

John Q. Public can't personally kill Jihadists in Yemen (I know, we should just be nicer to them) or swat ICBMs out of the sky (sorry, Poland -- you're on your own), but, left with enough of his own cash, he can educate his kids and provide for their health care and choose the right car and the temperature to keep his home at.

Victory, then Peace.

# 46. 1/12/10 10:11 PM
A few years ago in the rural town of Eden Idaho 20 miles northeast of Twin Falls two police officers were killed as they went to the home of someone that had marijuana.

Many people wanted to get rid of the Jerome County Sheriff and went on and on of how the guy who himself was killed was not really a bad guy. Like Drugs do no harm.

The legislature itself has years of expereince in things such as drug and traffic. And there is good reasons that there are drug laws. Drugs cost that man his life and unfortuntly cost two police officers theres.

# 47. 1/12/10 11:33 PM by gargoyle
Here's the win, place and show winners on the Bob Lonsberry, "I'm an American and you're not because I say so, nyah, nyah, nyah" site.

Right wing extremist is the WINNER folks for the most vile, hateful and racist remarks on this blob.

Al Quiam will have to work harder on being an ignorant buffoon but I expect he'll always be second string.

And poor 'ol Floyd Turd doesn't have an original thought in his head. Go back to school and learn ANYTHING you poor last place putz.

If anything ever happens to you guys, I'll be sure to check the newest Darwin awards list first.

# 48. 1/13/10 12:23 AM by Floyd R. Turbo
But the real trouble with killing people is that they tend to remain dead

And the people killed or maimed by convicted killers -- Arthur Shawcross' victims say "hulloo" -- remain dead.

If we had had the ability to at least threaten that freak with the death penalty when he was apprehended the first time for killing kids, there might be 13 or 14 extra people walking the Earth today.

That's the difference between "rational" theory and Reality.

Real life never works out the way "geniuses" script it.

# 49. 1/13/10 7:37 AM by Floyd R. Turbo
Go back to school and learn ANYTHING you poor last place putz

Scathing! Almost rapier-like! You must be from Canada!

Maybe you should cut back on the Activia, madam!

# 50. 1/13/10 7:58 AM by Floyd R. Turbo
You must be from Canada!

Actually, that's not fair.

The Canadian boys I met through hockey were anything but pantywaists.

I guess we just got lucky!

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